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acceptance speech on a slide and it says

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thinking thank you that's nice

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show number 72 for the fifth of March

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2010 dr. H a year filling in for Richard

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and Stefan and why not they get too much

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air time as it is on this week's show we

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have a real blast from the past in 2001

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Stefan was a DJ on internet radio

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station net FM here in Sydney and one

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day he invited the Australian skeptics

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into the studio and the rest they say is

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history this will be followed by me with

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a report on the Twitter shorty awards

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and thanks to everyone who voted for me

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in the health category which i won on

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Wednesday in New York then we'll have a

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grain of salt with the rants again

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talking to some of the people here in

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Australia who were behind the Apollo 11

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moon landings sounds very interesting

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and after that Richard takes a critical

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look at so-called psychic James Van

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Praagh who is currently touring

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Australia and no doubt making a fortune

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so wherever you are in your car working

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relaxing I hope you enjoy this episode

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let's wind back the clock now to 2001

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october two thousand and one and the

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very first sort of incarnation of the

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skeptic zone which wasn't called

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anything in those days i turned up the

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studio's of net FM here in sydney where

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Stefan yes Stefan Soyka our co-host was

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the DJ joining me on the very first day

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whatever you like to call it was then

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and here we are we've met at em with two

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in fact this three but we've got to at

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the moment because we got to mikes and

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to richards we got there Richard lead

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and Richard Saunders from Australian

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skeptics incorporate hey gang fellas

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pretty good and we've also got Helen

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mic was working but she's going to come

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to her now up Richard which one let this

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go for a both of you I tell us about the

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Australian skeptics just briefly okay

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we've existed for about 20 years and we

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are there to point out some of the

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absurdities that go on in our society

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and how people will rip you off and ruin

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your health to basically take your money

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because of your lack of critical

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thinking and of course they do and of

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course sometimes it's because of your

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desperate need for some sort of solution

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is some problem that you've got I guess

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here particularly if you're dying of

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cancer and they'll sell you a machine

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which contains about a blower twiki

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worth of electronic parts we pull them

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apart that's not exaggeration and if

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you're so desperate you're doing a

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cancer you think will I pay five

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thousand dollars maybe it does work and

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people who do that to dying people are

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the lowest of the low exactly there are

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plenty of people out there who will take

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advantage I bet there are what they take

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managed of everything these they said

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think that that's a thing for me is that

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thought that the skeptics were just more

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looking at like spoon benders and

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psychics and things which of course you

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do we do I mean that's I have to say now

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that's really 70s man I think oh man

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that was cool I you're as yellow another

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TV and UFOs and all that sort of thing I

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there's still all those psychic lines

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the end call now and you get this yeah

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future towel for you and all I've

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dollars 45 for a minute we've

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infiltrated them yeah and all the people

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do is read a script so if you ring up

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and you have problems with love you

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spirit and there they are psychic it is

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an outright fraud and they keep them on

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the line that's important thing maybe

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even start anything happens all the

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introductions and music playing I mean

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there are you have personal experience

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happen no no I broke up other lives like

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that it's just that I'd say that would

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be the four actually I've never have run

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just as to be informed I've had a client

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who was sucked into it in a 12-month

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period he spent twenty four thousand

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dollars on telephone psychics oh my

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goodness me and that's just absurd is me

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and his business didn't do any better

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that that's like it no yes yeah so

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what's the sort of latest things that

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you've been getting into and exposing in

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the latest journal the skeptic we've

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highlighted a perpetual motion machine

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and the like one of those yeah when we

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are so would Sir Isaac Newton all the

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world is all about laws of physics no

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longer work and these people who are

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based in Queensland surprise surprise a

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lot a lot of Forex drinkers up there

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this is true and they're trying to get

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money from the public and half million

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dollar lots and they reckon they're

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inundated with people because of course

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generates free electricity it's gonna

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work and it's just we're just going to

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become multi-billionaire you'll actually

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be able to sell your surplus electricity

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back to the grid back to the grid they

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perpetual motion they call it them

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over energy or some four thousand

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percent efficiency is that I'll buy one

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tomorrow wow that's unbelievable fact it

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is unbelievable that is except when you

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see people otherwise rational

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intelligent people who fall for these

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things but i guess that is aspect of

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human nature is that our brains tend to

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do things like that like with you people

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kinds of spirits and ghosts and angels

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to conclusions about something magical

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you go that'd be ridiculous so it's kind

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of like our brains are being wired up a

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little bit too if you don't use your

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critical thinking that you can get

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sucked in we all have a love of

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wonderment wouldn't it be fantastic if

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ghosts really did exist if the UFO lands

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and says take me to your leader there'll

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be no happier person than I really want

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it to be true it's yes that all of the

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evidence that UFOs are contacting us is

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rubbish it's tell its fake rubbish yeah

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anything I mean from spoon bending to

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air space to Bigfoot to anything you

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and say this is great yeah and it in

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fact you you're offering people a prize

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money and a spotters fee if you can

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actually all our listeners out there if

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you can find someone who can actually

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prove anything you get a spotter sphere

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about twenty thousand dollars $20,000

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tax-free and the psychic clairvoyant

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hundred thousand dollars tell you what

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really want the alien like you want just

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the head you wanna live dead a bit of

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skin and postcard maybe a postcard from

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another planet better yes you really

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have to ask yourself all these UFOs are

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coming in five percent of americans

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believe they have been abducted by a UFO

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sky to control when I'm oh so many death

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green men travel unbelievable distances

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across the galaxy to abduct Americans

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bit of a fantasy to me I think they're

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just dreamin i've been not yet like that

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Yahtzee okay i can play another song and

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we're going to come back with a chat a

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little bit more we gotta gonna get Helen

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the bold I believe in the inner

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managerial role of the Australian

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skeptics incorporated or ink for short

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there is such a beautiful song I really

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believe that faith hill was channeling

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angels when she wrote that don't you

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reach it oh yeah absolutely Richard

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Australian skeptics inc and also hell

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inferno welcome to the microphone thank

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you it's nice to have you here good to

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be in our you've been with the skeptics

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for how long now well I've been on the

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committee for about one month but I've

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been getting the skeptics journal for a

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couple of years now again Oh excellent

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Soviets started get into all the

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drinking a lot of drinking I think then

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we really see the ghost it there the

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spirits you really want to get involved

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with Iraq well that's pretty good sir

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richard lead was speaking earlier and

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the there's quite a lot of genuine stuff

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the incorporated the organization is

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that just australians australia's get be

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people involved i mean people from all

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sorts of backgrounds you know you've got

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scientists but then you've got other

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people from all sorts of areas who were

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just interested in critical thinking and

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exposing the truth and stopping people

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from being ripped off and drinking a lot

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youth did you find Helen that may be but

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until the age of 10 and which is a

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really old age to believe in father

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Christmas is real isn't here and I found

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loved all that kind of thing if we tell

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them adults today that homeopathy is

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also in the same vein they don't cry and

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cry

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adults angry they're adults with the

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this smart they their logical thinkers

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and they know what's right or wrong and

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they're skeptics too they didn't believe

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it at first yes indeed the argument when

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i was a kid i also like wake up in the

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morning I didn't want to didn't want to

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get up side I used to try to be which

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thing or that my favorite Martian I try

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to get wet point I get my clothes to

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come towards me it never worked you know

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I try not yeah I tried my tried and then

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you get to about the age of 11 and you

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realize no then these things just don't

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happen magically know um but yeah I

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guess there are people who still want to

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keep believing yeah you'd like I think

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that it would ya what about say for

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example I mean because obviously that

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the skeptics want to disprove a lot of

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things that are easy to disprove it's

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hard other things that are hard to prove

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in so much as like for example twins

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that they say yeah there could be other

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sighs the world and my gasps oh my god

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something's happening by twins well one

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of the things about the skeptics is we

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cannot disprove things we don't go out

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there to disprove things if someone says

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that there aren't flows or a UFO land in

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their backyard we can't disprove that

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you want yeah of course not you want the

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height of every visit right I'm deed is

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very hard and there have been lots of

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tests conducted with twins the the sort

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of thing you're talking about and where

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they separate them in different rooms

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and they show different pictures and

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whatever and there's nothing there

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nothing and nothing comes up to suggest

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that they have a special mental link

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with each other although interestingly

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enough identical twins will if they're

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shown a series of pictures will tend to

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choose the same sort of pictures because

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they got the same genetics it's funny

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because my wife is actually an identical

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twin and I've noticed a lot of things

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where those sorts of things happen and

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is always that the inkling is there

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because there was yeah in like that

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evidence in the Sun the way they spoke

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three weeks earlier yeah that they kind

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of picked up something was going on and

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then when something it started going on

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it's like Oh something's going on I'm

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feeling something with people are they

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very quick to make connections between

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two may be unrelated events and if there

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is a connection to be made it will be

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in the brain and the brain will go to

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lead to all sorts of conclusions and

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some of those are magical conclusions

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yeah and the thing is with coincidences

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if coincidences didn't happen it would

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be really strange like there are so many

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things that happen through life that

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aren't coincidence is that you don't

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remind fun bunch of someone the next day

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that you meet someone you have no

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connection with that you see a number

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that has broken back with another number

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exactly but it's just that when

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something does happen new remark on and

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things do have to happen coincidences do

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have to have a tratar de law of averages

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which is actually part of science it is

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the whole of nature works on on chance

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and back that Y million seeds fall on

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the footpath one or fall in the crack

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and it'll grow not a coincidence is

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actually that's mathematically a way

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that things work a rule yeah that's

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that's all for you know putting on a

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quick little plug for our website

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subscribe to our journal the skeptic mmm

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that's good now one of the good things

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that you're doing is actually trying to

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get people busted for being criminally

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fraudulent and ripping people off any

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sort of latest thing you've done with

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that well there's a chap up in the north

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coast of New South Wales I think who was

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selling magical water I that more than

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80 bucks for a little field tub of water

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and it was just obviously tap water and

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he said if you held up your empty vial I

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think it was your empty vial of these

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magic water in front of his website it

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would be empowered again wow you go I'd

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like to see that I want to get on that

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meet you hey I gotta play another song

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this is cool is that the keyless ones

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from from the oblivia which is sounds

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like another appropriate song lots of

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careless people out there will come back

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again with a few more things to talk

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pletely there with the keyless once your

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net F M Stefan with you till seven which

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isn't too far away we play musical

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chairs here we got to richards and a

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Helen are from the Australian skeptics

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Inc Richard lid back on the mic with

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Helen how are you still good oh that's

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good have not deteriorate you sure that

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there's no sort of negative ions kind of

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affecting you sort of you know sub

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stratospheric cellular activity or

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something to quote an expression used by

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a prime minister no that's good now

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Richard are now if I was wanting you to

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rip off our listeners how would you go

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about that very easily i'd say to them

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unimportant of heroin and i need some

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working capital i will pay you one

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hundred percent interest per month

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mm-hmm i have to bribe some officials i

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have to you know get the boat organized

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etc etc so if you give me five thousand

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dollars i'll give you back ten thousand

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dollars in a month's time and in a

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month's time i would give you back the

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ten thousand dollars well i guess what

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heroines there's a lot of money there's

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that is if that's among heroin smugglers

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uh-huh and I'd say look I've got a

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biggest shipment coming in can I have

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the ten thousand dollars back and do you

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have any made to want to make one

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hundred percent per month and you know

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because this is going to be a terrific

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when i'll give you a hundred percent

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back at the in the next month and lo and

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behold the end of the month or give you

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back the twenty thousand dollars i

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guarantee they'd be at least 10 of your

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friends who'd want to come into it the

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third time around yeah right and I

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probably keep it going four or five

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times it's called a pyramid scheme of

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course the heck is this your own money

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yeah and there's new money flooding in

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and at the end of it when I had made 10

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20 million dollars I just say to you say

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to your listeners here by the way I've

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just rip you off and what are you gonna

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do about it

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are they going to go are they going to

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go to constable Claude and say I was a

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drug smuggler no well I'm ever legality

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there I suppose I've seen it happen I

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have seen really there was leave heroin

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there was a guy driving around in a BMW

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with the boot full of cash about 20

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years ago and he was going round one

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side the sort of organizations he was

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going around about wearing uniforms and

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he was doing this he was saying i am

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smuggling drugs I'm need working capital

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and he started off paying various people

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really Lester's one hundred percent for

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the month and he ripped them off as I

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said he literally had a beautiful of

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cash but people like that then they just

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like get killed that's the one people

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say to me why had you asked Amster and

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I'd be too afraid a man as a tax lawyer

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by the name of Max Green who was running

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a pyramids in scheme and ripped off in

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the order of 50 million dollars and they

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found him murdered in a hotel room

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cambodia years ago yeah and this give

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isness exactly and they call me chicken

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Richard for a good reason so and Helen

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you've been obviously the skeptics for

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short time be reading for a little while

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is there any sort of subject matter that

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appeals to you particularly something

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that you think yeah well I think because

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I used to work in magazines I'm really

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interested in the kind of things that

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appear in women's magazines all the time

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just almost as as fact they got these

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psychics down the back of the magazine

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and and you can write in with your

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problems and you can ask about your

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career or your relationship and this

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psychic will give you all these answers

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yeah and I just find it really sad that

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people won't go to you know a counselor

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or someone that they can talk to about

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their problems or even talk to their

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partner or get some genuine advice on

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their life and instead we just write

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someone magazine who can't possibly have

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any knowledge of their life and and the

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other area that I think really concerns

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me is all these alternative therapies

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you know when you know that Richard and

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Richard were talking earlier about

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people who are really ill people who

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have serious serious health problems

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and instead of going for you know

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scientifically proven treatment said go

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for some natural therapy which they

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think has to be good because it's

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natural and there are people who were

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dying and people who are suffering

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unnecessarily and there was a really

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really sad case recently where a little

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baby died because the parents didn't

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have you know the scientific the medical

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treatment done and instead went to a

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naturopath and I just think that's

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really really sad yeah I think they

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might have been they felt like the

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normal medicine couldn't help them and

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they went there or they've just sort of

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instantly thought of their some magical

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cure well it seemed like they didn't

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give normal medicine a try chance yeah

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yeah it's like yeah okay especially with

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like say with the heart I mean surgeons

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can actually put a knife in and cut your

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chest open and fix you up yeah and yet

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other people think I know I can just lay

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my hands on you yeah you know I just

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drink this little herbal potion it's

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quite amazing I mean they've been all

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these advances in science century and

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it's so sad when people aren't taking

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advantage of that you know there's this

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i mean people who live so much longer

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now and live so much healthier lives

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because of these advances in science and

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when people try and go back to something

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some sort of therapy that was invented

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you know a hundred years ago 150 years

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ago and just ignoring everything that

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that scientists have learnt it's just

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you know it just wizard like we're fools

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are happy with just the whole bunch of

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idiots human being they're just idiot

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crazy but the thing is natural therapy

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sound good because you hear that its

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natural and you think that has to be

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good if it's natural it has to be good

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for me it can't hurt me and often these

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things don't hurt in the same way the

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surgery does or Kingda therapy because

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they're not doing enough but they're not

542
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:19,110
helping you and they can hurt you cuz

543
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:21,090
match there's a lot of poisons in nature

544
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:23,700
too well arsenic is natural and so is

545
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,260
good exactly so volcanoes you can jump

546
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:30,240
in a log I know that's natural heat

547
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:33,720
treatment yeah well that's that's all

548
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:36,570
pretty good um well I think we might

549
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,980
even if you want to stick around for

550
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:40,200
another song loves him yeah why not well

551
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:41,520
I think we can uncover a bit more in

552
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:43,320
this whole skeptical thing I'll play

553
00:21:46,550 --> 00:21:44,730
another tune this is linkin park with

554
00:21:48,170 --> 00:21:46,560
crawling and the world is crawling with

555
00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:48,180
suckers the world is crawling with

556
00:22:01,039 --> 00:21:59,509
Linkin Park day with crawling i'm here

557
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:01,049
with richard lead and Richard Saunders

558
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:03,480
and Helen the nuke play musical chairs

559
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,120
in the studio here on the FM we got the

560
00:22:10,639 --> 00:22:07,980
two Richards here now with two mics two

561
00:22:12,919 --> 00:22:10,649
mics and two regions talking we got the

562
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:12,929
ax from the Australian skeptics inc and

563
00:22:19,159 --> 00:22:16,169
with they've got a new CD out tell us

564
00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:19,169
about that this CD is a compilation of

565
00:22:24,889 --> 00:22:21,750
the last 20 years of The Skeptical

566
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:24,899
journal the skeptic yeah it has every

567
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:26,580
issue plus a couple of other books

568
00:22:30,889 --> 00:22:28,710
thrown in for good measure and it's

569
00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:30,899
fully searchable you can look up your

570
00:22:35,539 --> 00:22:32,929
favorite public via dear dollar g or

571
00:22:38,509 --> 00:22:35,549
through demanding or really wonderful

572
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:38,519
thing where's wonderful things or look

573
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:40,289
up a famous name or anything you like

574
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,850
it'll find the page you can read all

575
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,380
about it print it out use it in your

576
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,559
latest argument and that CD will be

577
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,840
available probably for Christmas and

578
00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:50,880
people can certainly find out about it

579
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,070
on our website excellent so if your

580
00:22:57,470 --> 00:22:55,919
brother cousin mother has just racked up

581
00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:57,480
a ten-thousand-dollar phone building

582
00:23:00,769 --> 00:22:59,610
psychics you could probably buying a CD

583
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:00,779
for Christmas I would certainly

584
00:23:06,259 --> 00:23:03,919
recommend it highly recommended now

585
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:06,269
science tends to be I mean summers is

586
00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:07,769
moving ahead and leaps and bounds and

587
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:09,990
even summer science journals are

588
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:11,610
starting to say that there is a bit of

589
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:15,510
magic in science what do you say to that

590
00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:19,350
like when you breathe quantum physics or

591
00:23:24,379 --> 00:23:22,019
whatever it's incomprehensible to normal

592
00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:24,389
Minds it certainly sounds like magic hmm

593
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,130
but we're figuring out more and more

594
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,840
that's right and there's nothing magic

595
00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:29,039
we're discovering new things all the

596
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:31,889
time this is one of the criticisms of

597
00:23:35,389 --> 00:23:33,690
throne and skeptics group they say one

598
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,399
of scientific knowledge is doubling

599
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,080
every eight years or whatever it is now

600
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:39,299
how can you say with certainty that

601
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:41,250
there aren't any ghosts out there etc

602
00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:44,460
and the answer is well how come they've

603
00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:46,590
never been detected we will say they've

604
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:48,590
seen a ghost and it's inevitably

605
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:52,500
mistaken identity it's a waking dream or

606
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:54,090
it's a good old fashioned hoax because

607
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,010
we all love a joke

608
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,200
yeah now but one thing that that's a

609
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:00,720
weight that has got me a little bit is I

610
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,970
saw this show on TV once it was about

611
00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:04,980
the the pyramids and how there's these

612
00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:06,980
three sets of pyramids like Cambodia

613
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:11,070
Egypt and Mexico and they all set up as

614
00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:13,260
if there's no way these people from way

615
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:15,390
back 5,000 years ago would have known

616
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,270
those measurements that that's a really

617
00:24:23,060 --> 00:24:20,700
big insult on the ancestry of a lot of

618
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:23,070
those people of today Egyptians or the

619
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:25,530
Mayan civilization whoever basically

620
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:27,510
saying to these people your ancestors

621
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:30,330
were so stupid as human beings they

622
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:31,650
could not construct these things

623
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,810
therefore I know not to construct

624
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:35,520
another something about that that their

625
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:36,750
actual though that where they're

626
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,860
pointing and they're they're actually

627
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:39,240
they've calculated all this scientific

628
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:40,770
study you could probably do that with

629
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:42,450
the Eiffel Tower center point tower here

630
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,180
in Sydney any other famous building in

631
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,980
the world choose three of them you'll

632
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:49,020
find connections here that's true you

633
00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:50,100
just have to look they'll be there

634
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:52,920
there's always connection so yeah you

635
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:54,090
know what yet one thing I hate is when

636
00:24:59,360 --> 00:24:57,480
people say it was meant to be it does

637
00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:59,370
that really get you against the V yeah

638
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,110
people say I found through this guy in

639
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:03,120
the street the other day it was meant to

640
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:07,170
be it's very hard like you who meant it

641
00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:08,610
to be I think we're meant to be here

642
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:10,560
right now let's yeah I think we are this

643
00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:12,120
is this is a magical moment right here

644
00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:14,550
we're all at men FM we're talking on the

645
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:16,230
internet there's all this amazing stuff

646
00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:17,880
prowling around the ether that either

647
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:20,160
proves there is a god or it proves there

648
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:21,330
isn't a god depending upon your

649
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,200
prejudice to start so do you tend to be

650
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:27,360
of course you're looking at a logical

651
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,060
critical thinking I have you got a part

652
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:33,120
of you that says well one day something

653
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,920
might come up and if it does i'll

654
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:37,440
believe it for I just know that it never

655
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:39,930
will and I'll never believe we'd never

656
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,640
say that and one of the reasons we have

657
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:42,960
our hundred thousand dollar challenge

658
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:46,110
there is wouldn't it be fabulous we were

659
00:25:50,419 --> 00:25:47,940
part of the discovery of a whole new

660
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:50,429
branch of science absolutely

661
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,470
a hundred thousand dollars worth in

662
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:55,320
times of exactly and isn't the James

663
00:25:59,899 --> 00:25:57,809
Brandi james randi in the United States

664
00:26:02,539 --> 00:25:59,909
on a million per million I've been a

665
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:02,549
million us so the two combined Royals

666
00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:05,580
are close to a more than 2 million

667
00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:07,619
Australian bowlers tax free so come on

668
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,240
psychics and clairvoyants and we're

669
00:26:14,419 --> 00:26:12,299
waiting and if you know any psychics and

670
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:14,429
clairvoyants why don't you ask them to

671
00:26:18,859 --> 00:26:16,619
take our challenge and you will get

672
00:26:20,989 --> 00:26:18,869
twenty thousand dollars tax-free 20

673
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:20,999
grand spotters fear yep you can't get

674
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,919
that as a drug dealer Kenya speaker you

675
00:26:26,989 --> 00:26:24,720
da bin bin Laden you get bin Laden you

676
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:26,999
probably need about 15 grand this is far

677
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,090
safer than bombing in benign that's

678
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:32,340
pretty good yeah okay well um it's been

679
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:35,610
great having you here Helen Rio Richard

680
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,649
is going to bend the spoon now I don't

681
00:26:40,249 --> 00:26:38,820
know how this is going to go over on

682
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,259
radio but I've got a little teaspoon

683
00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:42,960
here and Stefan can verify the mates you

684
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:44,600
baby gets happen on this very lightly

685
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:47,730
I'll this of that role it's a real

686
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,769
spirit it's solid now strewn bending is

687
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:52,320
largely an optical illusion so if i

688
00:26:57,109 --> 00:26:53,940
wiggle it like that between my fingers

689
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:57,119
you think you can see some movement in

690
00:27:01,129 --> 00:26:59,190
the spoon he's wiggling the spoons move

691
00:27:02,749 --> 00:27:01,139
its already strong effect and the more i

692
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:02,759
do that the more you think it's actually

693
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,369
starting to believe I shake it like this

694
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:06,960
and i get my friend richard to hold out

695
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:09,330
his hand oh my god in the metal melts

696
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:13,320
and halloween that's magic Oh falls into

697
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:16,679
he's just bent and snapped a spoon into

698
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:19,799
Richard deny now plenty $100,000 i'll

699
00:27:23,869 --> 00:27:21,299
give it to you can i get my spotters fee

700
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,879
i bought this guy in here today Richard

701
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,399
Saunders just bent a spoon trouble as we

702
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:28,200
know how he did the two ways you can do

703
00:27:33,139 --> 00:27:31,110
it I can't do it you can do it the way

704
00:27:35,239 --> 00:27:33,149
the magicians do it or you can do it the

705
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,249
way uri geller does it using the power

706
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:37,200
of his mind remember with Uri Geller

707
00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:39,090
doing for the power whose mind is it

708
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:41,669
really doing it the hard way yes let's

709
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,980
easier to use trickery trickery as much

710
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:46,320
better as it is it looks better too I

711
00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:49,289
was impressed then in fact I am a

712
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:51,629
believer now I'm sorry guys you know all

713
00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:54,210
this 20 years of work is CD it's just

714
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,269
out the window here but I believe Stefan

715
00:28:01,279 --> 00:27:59,700
I've got a bridge for sale you

716
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,289
for any a few thousand dollars in you'll

717
00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:02,880
collect a million dollars in toll money

718
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,029
every day take credit card yes your

719
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:08,159
frequent flyer points have you got like

720
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:09,720
a 1 900 number i can call with some

721
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,850
information about it five dollars 45 per

722
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:13,860
minute a whole wonderful we'll just put

723
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:17,700
you on hold okay well we're going to go

724
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:20,250
from the ridiculous even more ridiculous

725
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:22,830
this is m with pop music remember that

726
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,380
one what a classic song we're here on

727
00:28:29,419 --> 00:28:27,840
net FM the skeptics inc have been with

728
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:29,429
us have you been joyed their little

729
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:30,870
appearance here and the spoon bending

730
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:32,610
you should have been in the studio it

731
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:36,179
happened it was real i believe will that

732
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:43,919
will see you again we take you now to a

733
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:45,450
conversation being shattered across a

734
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:49,500
hillside what I think I'm trying to come

735
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:51,289
up with a browser for this podcast

736
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:55,350
podcast a geologic podcast watch a

737
00:29:00,919 --> 00:28:58,350
geologic odka Oh Hobbs pointless

738
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:00,929
meanderings skeptical observations

739
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:03,510
ridiculous musical interludes another

740
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,330
hint of geology all right maybe a little

741
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,100
bit of geology what's not worth it

742
00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:10,500
acabou he's got the religious bore out

743
00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:13,230
of the week she owes about grades jay-z

744
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:16,230
lyrics food was asked george who cares

745
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,090
what a bastard things interesting photo

746
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:20,760
greets the horoscope gotta be shot in

747
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:23,100
the Bible morning girls it's on science

748
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,110
stupid your adventures of the

749
00:29:28,879 --> 00:29:27,059
Philadelphia funk authority what

750
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,889
Ukrainian boy playing drums the funk

751
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:30,720
band must be fascinating but none of

752
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:33,210
that is appealing even a we beat great

753
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:37,529
team in them I won't try concrete try

754
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:50,990
geologic podcast pointless but free

755
00:30:05,060 --> 00:29:59,310
podcast on cam now it's time for dr.

756
00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:07,590
hello listeners and welcome to dr.

757
00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:09,820
Reggie reports this week is a very

758
00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:11,980
special episode where I give you a wrap

759
00:30:17,730 --> 00:30:15,460
up of the shorty awards this is the

760
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:17,740
shenanigans the subterfuge and the

761
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:21,070
shorty awards so on Wednesday March the

762
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:22,510
third the shorty awards were announced

763
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:25,870
in New York City I was unable to attend

764
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:27,340
the ceremony even though I would have

765
00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:30,250
been delighted I Love New York City so

766
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,720
instead I settled in front of my

767
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:34,720
computer at work at 11am Australian time

768
00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:37,450
to watch the live stream the categories

769
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:39,100
were announced in alphabetical order so

770
00:30:43,649 --> 00:30:40,690
it wasn't long before we reach the

771
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:43,659
health category my category now the

772
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,490
shorties are affectionately known as the

773
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:47,440
Twitter Oscars which is actually quite

774
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,690
accurate since none of the nominees know

775
00:30:54,779 --> 00:30:52,140
if they have one before the ceremony

776
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:54,789
further the shorties are not one purely

777
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,580
on votes alone a panel of judges makes

778
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,919
the final decision following an initial

779
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,840
round of nominations to select six

780
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:04,000
finalists and then there's a secondary

781
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:06,669
voting round so as I watched the awards

782
00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:08,260
being handed down it became apparent

783
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:10,299
that those who had won the voting round

784
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,370
were not automatically winning the final

785
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:15,279
round some finalists had come from third

786
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,289
or fourth place to take out the trophy

787
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:19,840
so you can imagine I was decidedly

788
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:22,870
nervous so it was with great relief that

789
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:24,340
I heard my name announced as the winner

790
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,980
of the health category now some of you

791
00:31:31,169 --> 00:31:28,960
very perceptive listeners have observed

792
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:31,179
that I've remained very quiet during the

793
00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,330
entire shorties process now I did not

794
00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:36,429
blog about it I only occasionally asked

795
00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:38,380
for votes and I rarely tweeted about it

796
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:40,299
except to say thanks when I had one

797
00:31:45,149 --> 00:31:42,809
around because you guys are awesome and

798
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:45,159
there was a reason I made this decision

799
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:46,990
and some of you might have worked out

800
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:49,720
why well it was because the old med is

801
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:51,820
running in this category behaved so

802
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:54,310
badly throughout this process that

803
00:31:59,130 --> 00:31:56,260
I had to do was sit back and watch them

804
00:32:01,560 --> 00:31:59,140
self-destruct it was much better for me

805
00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:01,570
to say nothing quietly screen capture

806
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:04,180
their abuse and ad hominem attacks and

807
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:06,310
wait for it all to crumble around them

808
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:09,820
which it did eventually as Steve novella

809
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,340
advised me when the she's a fatty post

810
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:14,950
appeared on makalah's site we've been

811
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:16,660
waiting for years for them to cross the

812
00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:18,400
line from their world of unicorns

813
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:20,500
sunbeams and fairy dust to their

814
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:22,990
apparent true colors of personal insults

815
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:26,560
and crazy antics and Joseph Mercola and

816
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:28,710
Mike Adams did it in spectacular style

817
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:31,660
all I had to do was sit back and wait

818
00:32:36,270 --> 00:32:33,310
and let other people document the

819
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:36,280
carnage so let's recap a little shall we

820
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:38,950
it all started when Mike Adams from

821
00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:41,020
natural news was coming first in the

822
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:43,540
health category and dr. mercola second

823
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:46,330
at this stage I was somewhere down near

824
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:48,790
16th place when I alerted my Twitter

825
00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:52,060
followers to the competition my mate an

826
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:54,040
all-around awesome smart guy Jason Brown

827
00:32:58,050 --> 00:32:56,050
decided he would have none of that and

828
00:33:01,170 --> 00:32:58,060
instigated a campaign to get me to the

829
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:01,180
top position amongst other things he

830
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:03,100
alerted PZ Myers of the hugely

831
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:05,620
successful for angular blog who is known

832
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:09,010
for his ability to farang gyea late now

833
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:10,810
pz kindly blogged about the competition

834
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:12,790
and this was when things began to get

835
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:15,250
interesting firstly my position was

836
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:17,950
elevated to the top 5 and increasing

837
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:19,990
when Mike Adams got wind that a big

838
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,300
farmer drug pusher was threatening his

839
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:25,600
top spot in fact at this time I wasn't

840
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:27,340
even winning but this didn't matter to

841
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:29,740
Mike so he wrote a long post on his

842
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:32,020
website asking his followers to vote for

843
00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:34,870
him to keep me out of the top spot well

844
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:37,180
it seems they did vote for Mike but we

845
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,650
started to notice some abnormalities

846
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:41,440
with their votes many people including

847
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Tim folly and a tweeze MGK did a quick

848
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:47,410
audit and found that many of the votes

849
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:49,390
for Adams were coming from newly created

850
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:52,300
Twitter accounts which were clearly set

851
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:54,490
up explicitly to vote for Mike in health

852
00:33:59,760 --> 00:33:57,670
and also for me in quackery so some of

853
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,770
the accounts contained only two tweets

854
00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:02,320
one vote for me in quackery and one from

855
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,350
Mike in health waves MGK also did an

856
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:07,120
audit on one hundred and sixty votes

857
00:34:10,099 --> 00:34:07,980
when

858
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:10,109
had a total of five hundred and thirty

859
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:12,450
and found that a hundred and four were

860
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:15,840
invalid that's sixty five percent that's

861
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,990
a lot now tweeting votes from new

862
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:20,820
accounts was explicitly against the

863
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:23,190
rules which stated that only Twitter

864
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:24,990
accounts which were established and

865
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:27,510
active prior to the competition start

866
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:30,750
date on January 1 2010 were eligible to

867
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:34,500
place votes so next thing we knew not

868
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,270
only did the health ranger have votes

869
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:38,040
taken from him he was completely

870
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:40,490
disqualified from the competition and

871
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:42,810
this was when it started to get

872
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,050
interesting Mike Adams through an epic

873
00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:48,359
tantrum he threw his toys out of the

874
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,149
pram he hand flapped he foot stamped he

875
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:53,220
wrote a frothing rant about how the

876
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,409
competition was wreaked he even

877
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:57,540
threatened to sue the judging panel and

878
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:01,080
he wrote this to the organizers if you

879
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,180
allow this to continue the integrity of

880
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:05,040
the entire shorty awards will be

881
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:07,530
destroyed I had hoped this would be a

882
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,260
fair honest competition that highlights

883
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,900
the usefulness of short form content but

884
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,460
thanks to the rogue voters who are

885
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:16,859
supporting dr. rachel Dunlop the shorty

886
00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:18,750
awards are quickly becoming a platform

887
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:21,030
for defamation and false accusations

888
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:22,890
where those who can spread the most

889
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:25,890
aggressive insults are allowed to win he

890
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:27,930
then wrote a truly epic post on

891
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:30,810
naturalnews com entitled what skeptics

892
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:33,390
really believe many of you would have

893
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:34,770
seen this it's been discussed

894
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,350
extensively within the community but if

895
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,180
you missed it I recommend you read a

896
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,480
couple of the takedowns Iraq over at

897
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:44,640
respectful insolence described the post

898
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:47,880
as a pyromaniac in a field of straw men

899
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:50,130
or black hole of burning stupid

900
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:52,290
incinerating every straw man in the

901
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,550
universe Phil Plait described it as alt

902
00:36:00,740 --> 00:35:58,680
med guy whacked with the shorty end of

903
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:00,750
the stick and Steve novella at

904
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:04,800
neurologica also took it to pieces the

905
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:06,840
following day Mike Adams responded with

906
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:09,420
another post referring to hate speech

907
00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:11,730
from jackals who attack natural medicine

908
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:15,270
all up he wrote about for ranting posts

909
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,580
about skeptics filled with conspiracy

910
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:20,640
theories and references to Big Pharma my

911
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:21,660
personal favorite

912
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,369
was the claim that skeptics believe that

913
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:25,380
the water in your toilet is the same as

914
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:29,390
the water from a mineral spring okay

915
00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:32,430
Adams got so angry on his facebook page

916
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,470
that some of his followers suggested

917
00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:37,380
that his computer had been hacked not so

918
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:40,950
I'm afraid he really is that nasty many

919
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:43,380
people covered Adams public tantrums but

920
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:45,390
I especially enjoyed the analysis by the

921
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,490
Merseyside skeptics on their skeptics

922
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:49,740
with a que podcast i recommend you have

923
00:36:55,549 --> 00:36:52,530
a listen so now it was makalah's turn to

924
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:55,559
throw his toys out of the pram he posted

925
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,720
an acerbic rant on his facebook page

926
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:59,880
pleading with his followers to vote for

927
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:03,359
him by insulting me it was entitled need

928
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:05,849
your help to squash drug company pushers

929
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,150
and he said an arrogant group of science

930
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,400
bloggers that have vilified me for the

931
00:37:15,799 --> 00:37:13,260
past few years have started a campaign

932
00:37:18,819 --> 00:37:15,809
to have an Australian shill to win a

933
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:18,829
health award on Twitter this overweight

934
00:37:23,299 --> 00:37:21,210
non-physician has arrogantly bashed

935
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:23,309
nearly every alternative therapy and

936
00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:26,910
encourages reliance on drugs she is big

937
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,299
farmers wet dream the ad hominem attacks

938
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:33,000
became decidedly more charming until

939
00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:34,710
some of his followers began to question

940
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:37,799
his motives and behavior on his Facebook

941
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:39,950
page fans left comments like I'm

942
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,510
doubting dr. mercola wrote this post

943
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:44,099
himself it just doesn't sound

944
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,920
professional at all and very

945
00:37:52,029 --> 00:37:49,260
unprofessional post I think this type of

946
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:52,039
post puts you in a bad light and this

947
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,690
name-calling and references to dreams

948
00:37:59,059 --> 00:37:56,700
who wrote this article a high school

949
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:59,069
student overweight people are members of

950
00:38:04,549 --> 00:38:01,230
your site learning how to be healthy too

951
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,559
and your choice of words in this post

952
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:06,720
speaks volumes about your character I

953
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:08,670
personally choose not to respect a

954
00:38:13,329 --> 00:38:10,770
professional who uses this terminology

955
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:13,339
in a professional web page goodbye

956
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,260
suffice it to say the little knowin

957
00:38:20,299 --> 00:38:18,599
reference in his post might have been

958
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:20,309
accurate before the Streisand effect

959
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:22,410
multiplied my Twitter followers by a

960
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,510
huge amount and traffic to my website

961
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,480
doubled overnight all thanks to

962
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:29,579
mccollough putting my url on his website

963
00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:32,339
with the comment if you want a real

964
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:34,319
laugh to see how ridiculous some of her

965
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:35,579
positions are you can

966
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:38,209
go to her site thank you Joe Mikkola

967
00:38:42,709 --> 00:38:40,890
interestingly all the while mikkola was

968
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:42,719
ranting and railing about me and

969
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:44,849
pleading with his fans to vote and ask

970
00:38:48,529 --> 00:38:46,650
three friends to vote he was

971
00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:48,539
simultaneously dismissing the shorties

972
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:51,539
as just a stupid popularity contest he

973
00:38:55,579 --> 00:38:53,729
said now I could care less about this

974
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:55,589
stupid Twitter award it's absolutely

975
00:39:00,680 --> 00:38:57,690
meaningless in the broad scope of what

976
00:39:02,660 --> 00:39:00,690
is going on in health but the award can

977
00:39:04,279 --> 00:39:02,670
be viewed as a metaphor and is a fight

978
00:39:06,019 --> 00:39:04,289
with those that would literally destroy

979
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:06,029
everything we know and love about

980
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:08,430
natural healing as the voting round

981
00:39:12,859 --> 00:39:10,410
continued things began to get difficult

982
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,869
for us remember mercola com is one of

983
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:14,700
the largest natural health websites in

984
00:39:21,049 --> 00:39:17,700
the world and at the time he had 64,000

985
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,059
fans on Facebook he even claimed to have

986
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:23,700
emailed 2.5 million people pleading with

987
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,950
them to vote for him at one stage his

988
00:39:31,249 --> 00:39:28,200
votes went from six hundred less than me

989
00:39:34,009 --> 00:39:31,259
to overtake me by more than 2,000 in the

990
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:34,019
space of only a few hours at this stage

991
00:39:37,819 --> 00:39:36,209
I thought we might have lost it but as

992
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,829
soon as they appeared the shorties

993
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:40,619
removed the votes it doesn't matter how

994
00:39:44,829 --> 00:39:42,690
many fans you have if they can't read

995
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:44,839
the rules their votes won't count of

996
00:39:50,209 --> 00:39:47,940
course as you can predict as his votes

997
00:39:51,799 --> 00:39:50,219
began to disappear his fans accused me

998
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:51,809
of having some kind of influence over

999
00:39:57,709 --> 00:39:54,209
the shorties called me a cheat a fraud

1000
00:39:59,539 --> 00:39:57,719
and a liar amongst other things I began

1001
00:40:01,309 --> 00:39:59,549
to get votes in these categories and

1002
00:40:03,439 --> 00:40:01,319
meanwhile my fans were much more

1003
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:03,449
creative nominating Mikkola for the

1004
00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:06,119
mythical half fish half drink category a

1005
00:40:10,789 --> 00:40:08,459
category which he took out comfortably I

1006
00:40:13,099 --> 00:40:10,799
am happy to say and as the deadline for

1007
00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:13,109
the voting round drew closer I asked him

1008
00:40:17,479 --> 00:40:15,329
mentioned to ask his fifty thousand plus

1009
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,489
followers to vote for me which he very

1010
00:40:23,479 --> 00:40:20,880
kindly did interestingly in contrast to

1011
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:23,489
when pz tweeted it this kind gesture

1012
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:24,930
from Tim mentioned did not translate

1013
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:28,319
into many more votes clearly pz has his

1014
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:31,380
fans much better trained so listeners it

1015
00:40:35,509 --> 00:40:33,569
all ended on wednesday and so far there

1016
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,519
has not been a mumble from the atoms or

1017
00:40:39,949 --> 00:40:37,920
mccollough camps what began as a fight

1018
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:39,959
for our principles of science and

1019
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:42,089
evidence ended as an incredibly

1020
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:44,249
interesting insight into the minds of

1021
00:40:48,229 --> 00:40:46,650
believers who when challenged and in

1022
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:48,239
lieu of any evidence to support their

1023
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,380
claims

1024
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,300
we run behind the shelter shed and call

1025
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:54,240
me fat on a positive note to my surprise

1026
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:56,370
and delight there has been a huge amount

1027
00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,290
of mainstream media coverage of the

1028
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:01,260
awards probably because news aggregator

1029
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:04,590
AFP picked up the story in Australia my

1030
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,300
name even appeared in many of the

1031
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,760
headlines of the articles and others

1032
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,040
described an Aussie biologist honored

1033
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:13,920
for tweeting my sister learned of the

1034
00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:16,440
award from Brisbane commercial radio who

1035
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:19,080
ran it as a news item and the free

1036
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,390
afternoon newspaper called M X which is

1037
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:24,660
distributed to over 700,000 commuters in

1038
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:27,210
Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane ran the

1039
00:41:31,610 --> 00:41:29,580
story on page two in Sydney and pageboy

1040
00:41:34,610 --> 00:41:31,620
in Melbourne there are also many other

1041
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,620
sites that covered the story so that's

1042
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,140
it for the shorty awards report a big

1043
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:39,240
farmer thank you to all my supporters

1044
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:40,860
and all who voted for me throughout the

1045
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:43,950
process and I guess this little no Anand

1046
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:45,930
physician is not so little knowing

1047
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:48,990
anymore so if McCullough is right that

1048
00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:50,850
this award can be viewed as a metaphor

1049
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:52,860
and is a fight with those that would

1050
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:54,510
literally destroy everything we know

1051
00:42:00,320 --> 00:41:57,780
then science has one to reiterate my

1052
00:42:02,570 --> 00:42:00,330
acceptance speech this award recognizes

1053
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,580
the value of sharing evidenced based

1054
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:05,460
health information on Twitter for

1055
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:07,010
science reason and critical thinking

1056
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,080
thank you good manners doesn't hurt

1057
00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:13,140
either and until next time this has been

1058
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:25,589
and so that's why you can't eat her I

1059
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:28,329
was just talking to you should tell and

1060
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:29,260
look I'm supposed to tell you about

1061
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,170
something the cosmic Tea Party a new

1062
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:35,920
science podcast podcast hey who's it at

1063
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,270
any rate it's about science and

1064
00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:40,000
mathematics sounds rather dull oh hang

1065
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:43,329
on I open it it says here not down so

1066
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:44,980
there you have it the cosmic Tea Party

1067
00:42:59,069 --> 00:42:48,670
podcast www cosmic Tea Party or or

1068
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,079
search for them on itunes let's all take

1069
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:01,839
this with a grain of salt he's around

1070
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,680
ticket this is a run Sega from

1071
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:10,240
Australian skeptics and the skeptics on

1072
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:12,760
podcast with a story of parks small town

1073
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:16,540
380 kilometres west of Sydney monday the

1074
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:19,720
21st of July 1969 was a very special day

1075
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:21,910
for parks while most of the world

1076
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:23,349
remembers the first landing on the moon

1077
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,150
as having happened on the twentieth of

1078
00:43:28,829 --> 00:43:27,040
July the time difference between

1079
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:28,839
Australia and the US means that when the

1080
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:30,130
eagle landed in the Sea of Tranquility

1081
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:33,910
at 418 p.m. eastern daylight time it was

1082
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:37,510
618 am of the following day at parks the

1083
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:38,980
reason that that event has a special

1084
00:43:43,799 --> 00:43:41,380
meaning for parks is that it is host to

1085
00:43:45,569 --> 00:43:43,809
a 64 meter radio telescope which played

1086
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:45,579
an important role in that momentous

1087
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:48,730
event two members of the parks team who

1088
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,290
were there during the crucial hours in

1089
00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:54,400
1969 arneil Fox Mason was responsible

1090
00:43:58,380 --> 00:43:56,500
for driving the telescope and cliff

1091
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,390
Smith was in charge of telescope

1092
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,730
maintenance neyland cliff agreed to

1093
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,760
share some of their experiences with me

1094
00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:05,680
the radio telescope at parks is operated

1095
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:08,260
by the CSIRO Australia's scientific and

1096
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:10,569
industrial research organization it

1097
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:13,210
started operations in 1961 as the

1098
00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:15,160
brainchild of taffy Bowen the chief of

1099
00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:17,980
CSIRO's radio physics division and was

1100
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:20,020
headed by john bolton a legendary radio

1101
00:44:25,049 --> 00:44:22,690
astronomer to this day it is one of the

1102
00:44:26,849 --> 00:44:25,059
largest radio telescopes in the world in

1103
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,859
the southern hemisphere it is only

1104
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:28,720
surpassed by tidbit villa near Canberra

1105
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:31,000
in Australia and Arecibo in Puerto

1106
00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:33,970
Rico which is not a moveable dish in the

1107
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:36,460
mid-to-late 1960s the parks dish became

1108
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:39,490
part of NASA's Deep Space Network Fox

1109
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:41,740
Mason explains why parks was chosen to

1110
00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:45,130
be involved with Apollo 11 we have

1111
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:47,980
tracked the different flights at

1112
00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:51,190
different times but Ted bandila was the

1113
00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:53,620
main NASA tracking septation Deanna

1114
00:45:02,820 --> 00:44:58,120
cambiar it was a smaller dish why they

1115
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:02,830
got parks for the Apollo 11 was because

1116
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:04,510
of the television pictures and things

1117
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,950
coming back and we got a greater

1118
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:10,960
collecting surface where with biggest

1119
00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:13,330
the biggest terrible vision but southern

1120
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:16,060
hemisphere at the time at the time of

1121
00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:17,500
the moon landing the tracking station

1122
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,180
communicating with Apollo 11 was

1123
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:22,000
Goldstone in California as he is now

1124
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:24,280
well known the original plan was for

1125
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:26,020
Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to sleep

1126
00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:27,910
for six hours before preparing for the

1127
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:30,790
EV a this would have seen them leave the

1128
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:33,010
LEM about 10 hours after landing by

1129
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:34,270
which time the moon would have been

1130
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:36,010
under the horizon for God's town and

1131
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:37,660
Parks would have been tasked with

1132
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,580
receiving the TV transmission from the

1133
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:42,880
first human steps on another world Fox

1134
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:44,770
Mason describes the preparations at

1135
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:49,830
parks first up late about or know about

1136
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:53,560
eleven-thirty we tipped the dish over

1137
00:46:02,460 --> 00:45:58,810
and just to check the receivers were

1138
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:02,470
working ok and pointing was correct we

1139
00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:06,190
went and calibrated on one of them radio

1140
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:08,440
sources was particularly well known at

1141
00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:14,130
the time Hydra a then we calibrated the

1142
00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:17,260
checked out pointing the calibration of

1143
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:22,900
the receivers then after that we spent

1144
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,330
on our man I suppose then we got into

1145
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:32,310
position and tip the dish right down so

1146
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:36,510
to be pointing at the horizon so we're

1147
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:40,140
at a very vulnerable position tip right

1148
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:42,210
over the 60 degrees waiting for the moon

1149
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,410
to rise as he turned out Neil and Buzz

1150
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,900
were not in the mood for sleep no prizes

1151
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:51,060
for guessing why and asked for

1152
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,410
permission to go ahead with the e VA

1153
00:46:58,310 --> 00:46:55,140
immediately permission was granted and

1154
00:47:00,320 --> 00:46:58,320
they started preparing for parks this

1155
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:00,330
looked like all the hard work that put

1156
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:02,010
in in anticipation of the landing would

1157
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,710
come to note however all during an

1158
00:47:10,030 --> 00:47:06,480
Armstrong took longer than expected to

1159
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:10,040
prepare for the EV a fox masonry calls I

1160
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:12,540
was going to have a sleep and then come

1161
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:15,390
later on in a day but once I got there

1162
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:17,130
they were too excited I wanted to get

1163
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:19,950
out there as quickly as they could but

1164
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,950
then they had trouble depressurizing

1165
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:25,140
their spaceship and getting their space

1166
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:27,840
suits on so by the time they already

1167
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:31,710
passed was just about ready as well the

1168
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,050
delay meant that six hours later the

1169
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:35,700
astronauts were still not quite ready to

1170
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:37,590
step out of the lamp and time was

1171
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:40,110
running out for gold stone unfortunately

1172
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:42,810
the moon had not yet risen at parks but

1173
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:44,310
there was still time to go before the e

1174
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:46,860
VA meanwhile on the ground the weather

1175
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:49,410
took a turn for the worse July is the

1176
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:51,210
middle of winter in Australia and as

1177
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:53,250
everyone was waiting for the VA the wind

1178
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,650
around parks picked up this was

1179
00:48:00,080 --> 00:47:57,420
particularly bad news as the dish was at

1180
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,090
its maximum tilt of 60 degrees in order

1181
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:01,680
to receive the signal from the moon as

1182
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:04,350
soon as it rose cliff Smith was outside

1183
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,650
in the wind and he tells his story we

1184
00:48:12,980 --> 00:48:09,780
didn't expect what if we had what

1185
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:12,990
happened but it did added 20 minutes of

1186
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:18,330
the first observing period it blew and

1187
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:24,210
as their school hereís and it was in

1188
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:26,250
fact where I was at the back of the

1189
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:29,160
telescope to make sure that everything's

1190
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:33,450
tied that way as good as it was because

1191
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:35,790
of you as you well know that telescope

1192
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:39,090
is that one of the best

1193
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,240
style to ever saw and he was not in a

1194
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:45,760
position for for this kind of storm was

1195
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:50,350
it that was not a blue in from the the

1196
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:52,690
Western man portr Lee will pour de ghost

1197
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,110
as cliff said under normal circumstances

1198
00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:59,200
the dish a 64 meters sale weighing 300

1199
00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:00,970
tons would not be allowed to be

1200
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:02,620
subjected to such winds which were in

1201
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:05,470
excess out of 100 km/h without being

1202
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:07,210
aimed at the zenith and anchored as

1203
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:08,680
there was a real risk of catastrophic

1204
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:11,650
failure however these were not normal

1205
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:14,200
circumstances and john bolton and taffy

1206
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:17,020
bhawan decided to take the risk as the

1207
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:18,790
moon was approaching the horizon and the

1208
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:20,050
astronauts were getting ready to leave

1209
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:24,430
the lamb the wind subsided a 1254 p.m.

1210
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,740
local time just as the moon rose over

1211
00:49:30,330 --> 00:49:28,720
the horizon at parks in john bolton

1212
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:30,340
managed to get a signal on the off-axis

1213
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:33,190
receiver all during activated the TV

1214
00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:36,130
signal Fox Mason was not watching as he

1215
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:39,580
was busy tracking the signal now I was

1216
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:41,950
naval of what's at the time because I

1217
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:46,080
was too busy engrossed in my own task

1218
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:48,970
keeping the disappointed in the right

1219
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:51,670
area can you tell us how the physical

1220
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:53,800
tracking was done how did you know you

1221
00:50:00,570 --> 00:49:55,090
were applying pointing in the right

1222
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:00,580
direction well we had to we had set the

1223
00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:04,690
coordinates that the nasara had that

1224
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:06,340
sent us and then we'd checked all the

1225
00:50:13,710 --> 00:50:11,410
positions they are them okay and then we

1226
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:13,720
had a volt meter up and top of the desk

1227
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:16,150
so we could see when we were getting the

1228
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:18,490
strongest signals all the time so

1229
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:19,990
basically every time you the signal got

1230
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:22,660
a bit weaker you moved in the direction

1231
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:25,360
that you thought was they've yeah a

1232
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:27,790
little bit one way or the other a lot of

1233
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:31,030
announcement or declination to wake up

1234
00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:34,330
on the best signal the signal was also

1235
00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:36,220
picked up by the 64 meter dish at

1236
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Goldstone and by the 26 meter dish at

1237
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:40,930
honeysuckle Creek near Canberra for a

1238
00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:42,700
few minutes NASA alternated between the

1239
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:44,320
signals in search of the best picture

1240
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,330
but after nine minutes the moon was high

1241
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:48,160
enough over the horizon for the signal

1242
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:49,660
to be received by the main detector at

1243
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:51,730
parks and for the rest of the moon

1244
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,630
the parks transmission was used

1245
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:56,800
naturally those who were involved in the

1246
00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:58,660
moon landing have an opinion about the

1247
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:01,030
moon landing hoax believers so I asked

1248
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:02,590
Fox and cliff what they thought of the

1249
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:05,380
conspiracy theorists Fox masonry cause a

1250
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:08,590
visit by field plate in 2004 a visit

1251
00:51:16,830 --> 00:51:10,410
which I was lucky enough to be part of

1252
00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:16,840
their was author come up here a skeptic

1253
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:20,380
nobbut Philip claps in soo played yeah

1254
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:23,170
hey vato yeah a minor could book a bit

1255
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:25,540
bad astronomy and all the rest of it yes

1256
00:51:32,099 --> 00:51:29,260
a lot of people still say was made in

1257
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:32,109
Disneyland and we've never been to the

1258
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:34,510
moon I don't know what we've got to do

1259
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:37,000
to convince them oh yeah a lot of

1260
00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:38,680
people's this will never convince me of

1261
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:41,740
anything using the seishin say in touch

1262
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:44,590
themselves that's the nature Yemen

1263
00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:47,290
brains are supposed cliff Smith in turn

1264
00:51:50,359 --> 00:51:49,060
offers the best evidence he can that

1265
00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:50,369
Neil and Buzz really walked on the moon

1266
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:54,369
well as a matter of fact that I'm led to

1267
00:52:00,599 --> 00:51:56,410
believe and not I'm sure that this

1268
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:00,609
happened with the fact that there we

1269
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:05,830
point of the telescope at the moon and

1270
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:09,850
we got a signal not only once but we got

1271
00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:12,970
a single be offset aerial we have a

1272
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:17,320
signal on the mine area and if I sit

1273
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:21,160
back from the Mojave Desert as those

1274
00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:26,770
cleared site we must have but somebody

1275
00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:28,540
must have been up there to have a an

1276
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:32,350
echoing char or something like that we

1277
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:34,510
received the signal from the moon as all

1278
00:52:38,849 --> 00:52:36,730
right now there's a lot more detail

1279
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:38,859
about the dish at parks for more

1280
00:52:47,609 --> 00:52:41,430
information in the full story go to ww

1281
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:47,619
parks that's PA RK es a tnf csiro dot au

1282
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:52,840
/ News underscore events / Apollo 11 to

1283
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:54,550
hear the full interviews with Fox Mason

1284
00:52:59,820 --> 00:52:56,440
and cliff Smith go to the website of the

1285
00:53:01,770 --> 00:52:59,830
script of the skeptics own podcast wwc

1286
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:01,780
eggs on TV

1287
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:08,650
so now you got it without want to know

1288
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,940
how to live skeptically and still have

1289
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:12,640
friends well so do i join me for

1290
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:14,530
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1291
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:16,180
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1292
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:18,490
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1293
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:20,350
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1294
00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:22,780
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1295
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:24,220
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1296
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1297
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:28,270
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1298
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:30,190
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1299
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1302
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1303
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1304
00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:41,950
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1305
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:51,820
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1306
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:55,210
psychic the medium a man who can contact

1307
00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:57,910
the dead the inspiration for the ghost

1308
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:00,250
whisperer he's back in Australia I think

1309
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:02,170
he probably comes over here every year

1310
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:05,290
he probably goes to many countries every

1311
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:08,950
year to do his live show and of course

1312
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:10,930
this is something that the tabloid TV

1313
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,170
just loved to snap up so the other

1314
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:16,480
morning James Van Praagh was a guest on

1315
00:54:21,870 --> 00:54:19,270
the sonrise program it's a program i

1316
00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:21,880
appear on occasionally as the dare i say

1317
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:25,060
token skeptic this time James Van Praagh

1318
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,180
data live reading for us on this morning

1319
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:30,640
television program I'll play this clip

1320
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:33,610
from it now just bear in mind that when

1321
00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:36,250
the segment started we saw James Van

1322
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:38,980
Praagh and the lady in question both

1323
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:43,690
walking in to the studio so yes so to me

1324
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:45,910
to start yeah well i mean first of all

1325
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:47,290
he's guys been Adhir very very much so

1326
00:54:52,170 --> 00:54:49,270
he's a big man by the way he's a very

1327
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:52,180
big heart very loving man and I I do see

1328
00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:53,710
that his head also was involved when he

1329
00:54:56,940 --> 00:54:55,060
passed so and there was a crushing of

1330
00:54:57,930 --> 00:54:56,950
the head when he passed and i gotta tell

1331
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,940
you that was having very very fast

1332
00:55:01,710 --> 00:54:59,920
didn't realize it was going to go

1333
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:01,720
somewhere i don't know if they have a

1334
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:03,400
drove a truck was her truck anywhere

1335
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:05,290
involved as he was in a truck and i want

1336
00:55:07,610 --> 00:55:06,730
to ask about cattle because suddenly I'm

1337
00:55:09,350 --> 00:55:07,620
saying cattle I've

1338
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,360
where what the heck is this about cattle

1339
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:11,040
way from the country okay i was i'm

1340
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:12,180
seeing cattle so no he drove cattle

1341
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:13,980
trumpets and cattle i tell you that i

1342
00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:15,480
feel this mouse very spiritual on his

1343
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,320
own way and jill has cowboy boots what's

1344
00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:21,900
this issue about cowboy boots well he

1345
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:23,820
was a he loved horses and he rode horses

1346
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:25,290
but you have his boots do you have some

1347
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:26,670
boots of his I've got lots of his boots

1348
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:28,320
he's riding boots okay because some of

1349
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:29,430
the boots are you must be looking for

1350
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:30,660
the closet you must be looking through

1351
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:32,310
them and looking at his booth because he

1352
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,750
was watching you do that i'm also

1353
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:35,400
cleaning out the drawers or queen anne

1354
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:36,570
some cell phones you can't let yourself

1355
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:38,790
do it yet it's too early he said that's

1356
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:40,590
okay i want to say April method April's

1357
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:42,450
very significant and as she's telling me

1358
00:55:45,350 --> 00:55:43,410
he's with you all the time there's a

1359
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:45,360
wedding coming up and there's the four

1360
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:47,670
children four children three girls one

1361
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:51,060
boy three police report on girl I know 3

1362
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,950
of 13 and there's a wedding coming up

1363
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:54,300
but it's gonna be there to wedding so be

1364
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:55,470
worried that you might not be aware we

1365
00:55:58,580 --> 00:55:56,970
get this is wedding coming up there's

1366
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,590
also a second place that you go to with

1367
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:00,660
him so if there was a getaway you should

1368
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:02,490
go to a holiday place a keishon or

1369
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:04,410
somewhere this is a little location he

1370
00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:05,790
loves us and this water there's a lake

1371
00:56:09,350 --> 00:56:07,860
others of water area and this want to

1372
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,360
remember that and he said there's a

1373
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:10,980
memory you have their of the experience

1374
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:12,570
we had at that place and that's how we

1375
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:14,310
want you to think of him it's never far

1376
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:15,930
away and it's a picture of might next to

1377
00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:17,070
the bed there's a photograph right of

1378
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:18,870
the bed right looking at you because you

1379
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:20,040
good night every night you feel I'm ever

1380
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:21,270
night bazaar sleep and you know we I

1381
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:22,110
mean you're very aware you very

1382
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:24,690
spiritual and he's the same way yeah

1383
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:27,870
this is a reading with in a second so

1384
00:56:35,630 --> 00:56:31,470
you might amelia is that pretty spot on

1385
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:35,640
yes yes yeah did you drop a knife the

1386
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:36,420
other day when you're cleaning the

1387
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:38,190
dishes and yeah some utensil on the

1388
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,110
floor they said yeah okay was watching

1389
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:42,000
you pick this up it was knife you

1390
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:43,140
dropped to the floor or something at

1391
00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:45,510
night before you picked it up yes I

1392
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:49,860
nearly cut my toe yeah I cut you told me

1393
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:51,270
they're just dropping the knife and he I

1394
00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:52,860
said pick it up and he was watching her

1395
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,590
his mother all the time now wasn't that

1396
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:57,960
amazing wasn't that just incredible how

1397
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:02,220
could James Van Praagh be so right what

1398
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:03,690
he said about this one

1399
00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:07,020
I think this is just a guess mind you a

1400
00:57:13,099 --> 00:57:09,540
butt shot in the dark I think the clue

1401
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:13,109
is that he walked into the studio with

1402
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:16,470
the woman before the segment started can

1403
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:18,750
it be in your wildest imaginings can it

1404
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:20,550
be that he actually spoke with her

1405
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:25,440
before they did the taping can it be can

1406
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,060
it be that he knew lots about her from

1407
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:29,910
letters or other correspondence before I

1408
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:32,960
mean was she plucked from the street I

1409
00:57:39,319 --> 00:57:36,900
wonder okay to be fair James Van Praagh

1410
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,329
let's put him in a situation where he

1411
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:41,550
really didn't know the people he was

1412
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,980
about to read now this is a clip from a

1413
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:45,720
show called the circle which is much

1414
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:48,890
like the view the American show the view

1415
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:51,930
let's see how James Van Praagh goes this

1416
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:54,060
time me unknown and we're gonna throw it

1417
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:55,859
open to you with our studio audience now

1418
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,480
take it away maybe what you can see you

1419
00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:59,040
sweetheart great I play start with this

1420
00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:00,810
lady right here who's sitting right in

1421
00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:02,579
the first pro I have a mother figure

1422
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:04,560
very strong coming around you okay and

1423
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:06,540
with the name of you the Mary Margaret

1424
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,450
Janice to the name Margot Mary okay

1425
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:11,579
Margot Mary and I got to tell you that I

1426
00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:13,050
feel before she passes over though

1427
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:15,900
there's a lot of them how hard tend to

1428
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:17,190
walk or hard time to get up and get

1429
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,170
things going to understand that and also

1430
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:21,180
hard time when medicines before she

1431
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,750
passed um well she was a medication

1432
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:26,339
that's what I've asking do you have any

1433
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:28,200
painkillers right but their medication

1434
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:29,730
she took because if I feel this very

1435
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:32,339
very much before which is coming in here

1436
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,170
and I feel so arthritis by the way

1437
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:35,520
there's a lot of arthritis and there's a

1438
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:37,170
bone problem there's also something at

1439
00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:38,760
the back side up she sees I sitting up a

1440
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:41,420
pillow at the back of her or is that you

1441
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:44,130
know that doesn't make sense to you ok

1442
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:47,609
and what not troubled legs no ok ok I

1443
00:58:52,819 --> 00:58:50,940
was prob with the legs now mama father's

1444
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:52,829
head two hip replacements two hip

1445
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:54,300
replacements get up walk as well as he

1446
00:59:03,290 --> 00:58:57,720
used to oh no he walks vary ok ok um

1447
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:03,300
right was your mother buried yes mm-hm

1448
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:05,190
cuz she's talking about being buried in

1449
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,700
a beto and awake or a funeral rather and

1450
00:59:12,859 --> 00:59:09,960
she knows about she was very surprised

1451
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:12,869
Bible and who's Kathy or calf Kathy said

1452
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:15,540
Catherine or Cathy cat see Catherine and

1453
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:16,610
Kathy I'll just so

1454
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:19,220
that catch it you know about this name

1455
00:59:25,570 --> 00:59:22,790
well catch my lady it was our cousin

1456
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:25,580
cousin now that's just um just past

1457
00:59:29,950 --> 00:59:27,770
anything right now I would come with me

1458
00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:29,960
today but um she just had to have sued

1459
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:31,400
let's talk about her she's praying with

1460
00:59:35,980 --> 00:59:33,110
hurricane I also know who's Catholic but

1461
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:35,990
the Sun was Catholic background and your

1462
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:37,370
wall okay so there was a mess that

1463
00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:38,420
French wants to thank you for a mass

1464
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:39,950
that was said and their prayer cards

1465
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:41,120
that have said there's a picture of

1466
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:43,010
mother married somewhere around that

1467
00:59:46,030 --> 00:59:43,940
your mother Mary would you know about

1468
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:46,040
this lead about this problem athletes

1469
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:48,380
have mother Mary ransomware good oh come

1470
00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:51,830
on quest quest that was years ago um

1471
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:54,740
this to get some solace not that its

1472
01:00:02,050 --> 00:59:58,130
name is Mary and knowledge mother Dodge

1473
01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:02,060
yeah NOLA was only six okay that was in

1474
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:05,420
nineteen fifty mm-hm backwards I did a

1475
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:06,680
backwards like a backward friendly

1476
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:09,260
sideways also so I would talk about

1477
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:10,850
something else with either buys it music

1478
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:12,920
music music I don't know why music do

1479
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:14,210
not do music we're going to do music

1480
01:00:17,110 --> 01:00:15,350
when you were younger and you stopped

1481
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:17,120
doing music okay you never want to play

1482
01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:19,490
the piano okay who was that one to play

1483
01:00:25,930 --> 01:00:23,420
the piano music tonight don't know okay

1484
01:00:27,010 --> 01:00:25,940
my family's I wanna talk about this lady

1485
01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:27,020
here you fought your husband's passed

1486
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:28,550
over are you father's past oh brother

1487
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:31,130
the best over I hope he liked cars don't

1488
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:32,930
think about cars but there's something

1489
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,970
about cars with him I mean told me about

1490
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:36,650
this okay I don't you just recently got

1491
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:38,060
a car that was talking about getting a

1492
01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:40,220
car or changing a car you are living a

1493
01:00:47,170 --> 01:00:43,430
dead you understand Jonas about the cars

1494
01:00:51,010 --> 01:00:47,180
no did you just get a car were there no

1495
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:51,020
no no couple of these okay okay okay who

1496
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:56,150
had the hard problem um Oh possibly mom

1497
01:01:00,910 --> 01:00:58,810
okay yeah she's passed over as well

1498
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:00,920
mm-hmm there was heart the situation

1499
01:01:05,650 --> 01:01:04,190
before she passes oh ok there were

1500
01:01:07,630 --> 01:01:05,660
situations that she was going to either

1501
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:07,640
get an operation as a procedure done

1502
01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:10,220
something before that okay so i don't

1503
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:11,180
know if you know that that shouldn't get

1504
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:13,550
that i also asked know who I'm with the

1505
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:16,790
tree so Terry but am ok I gotta tell you

1506
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:20,030
that I ocean hope you sent Teresa or

1507
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:23,330
Terry to reason mm-hmm sorry so Terry

1508
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:26,570
and was there a divorce with you never

1509
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:29,540
you never married okay I'm not surprised

1510
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:31,250
I'm not surprised because I want you to

1511
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:33,260
love yourself more because you don't I

1512
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:36,290
need you to love yourself more okay i

1513
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:37,760
also want there's something about the

1514
01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:39,590
car here with your father i don't know

1515
01:01:42,220 --> 01:01:40,940
what i'm talking about a car here I

1516
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:42,230
don't know what it means if you're just

1517
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,820
getting new car he got new car there's

1518
01:01:47,110 --> 01:01:45,440
something with that okay I got to tell

1519
01:01:51,850 --> 01:01:47,120
you that I'm come over here at this lady

1520
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:51,860
ah hmm well as James Van Praagh would be

1521
01:02:01,440 --> 01:01:54,170
the first to say it doesn't work all the

1522
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:03,820
yeah aight guys i was talking to Richard

1523
01:02:07,810 --> 01:02:05,690
Saunders either day all right he said if

1524
01:02:10,210 --> 01:02:07,820
we record a trailer for our podcast

1525
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:10,220
skeptics with a que he declared on the

1526
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:11,870
initial nice nice oven that's very

1527
01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:13,310
generous it's pretty good i'm not sure

1528
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:14,750
what we could do though I mean well

1529
01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:16,310
suppose you tell people the shows about

1530
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:19,070
but it's basically this yeah like yeah

1531
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:20,990
but you know we talk about science and

1532
01:02:24,070 --> 01:02:22,730
skepticism and things that's that's true

1533
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:24,080
as for the end you mentioned the website

1534
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:25,850
address not merseyside skeptics talk

1535
01:02:29,410 --> 01:02:27,770
about UK yeah yeah just like searches

1536
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:29,420
nineteen's oh and then we could end with

1537
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:31,850
like a big song like the skeptics with

1538
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:36,700
okay podner no no no don't don't do that

1539
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,740
so that's it for the skeptic Zone

1540
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:50,240
episode number 72 and thank you for

1541
01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:52,490
listening if you're interested in seeing

1542
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:54,470
some of the media coverage that I got

1543
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:56,390
for the shorty awards please head over

1544
01:03:02,110 --> 01:02:58,970
to our reporter Carly sturgis's blog at

1545
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:02,120
pod black com where she's compiled some

1546
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:03,890
of the links to stories that covered the

1547
01:03:08,830 --> 01:03:06,650
awards also I'd like to thank everyone

1548
01:03:12,220 --> 01:03:08,840
who's been generously donating to the

1549
01:03:15,450 --> 01:03:12,230
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1550
01:03:18,310 --> 01:03:15,460
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1551
01:03:19,780 --> 01:03:18,320
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1552
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:19,790
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1553
01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:22,940
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1554
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:31,300
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